he was close friends with nelson mandela. even did some business deals with him. >>> and we are looking ahead in addition to this, we've been looking forward to jobs friday. the jobs report comes out later this morning. gary stern is former president of the federal reserve bank of minneapolis. he's going to tell us what we're going to see in these numbers and what we've been through. and arthur brooks, president of the american enterprise institute is going to tell us how we can get to 400,000 jobs a month. before we get -- because it's enterprise, steve. it's enterprise. >> i thought the government created all jobs -- all jobs led back. >> how many times have i said that's no the the case? >> you've been trying to tell me. >> you spent seven years in the former soviet union. >> right. where as i've said many times over the last seven years, i learned to be a die hard capitalist. >> no, you didn't. >> i assure you, joe, when you live amongst the failures of communism, you become a capitalist. >> i don't know what you were bef